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  <title>a bit of fun: which is more metal -- C++ or Java? - C++ - tribe.net</title>
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    <title>Re: a bit of fun: which is more metal -- C++ or Java?</title>
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    <updated>2008-04-14T18:16:45Z</updated>
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    <summary type="html">Ha... actually I'm thinking Python :)</summary>
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    <title>Re: a bit of fun: which is more metal -- C++ or Java?</title>
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    <updated>2008-03-25T07:59:47Z</updated>
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    <summary type="html">Depends.  Does the guitar player know only one chord?  Then that would be Java.</summary>
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    <dc:date>2008-03-25T07:59:47Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: a bit of fun: which is more metal -- C++ or Java?</title>
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      <name>John Michael</name>
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    <updated>2008-03-25T02:03:09Z</updated>
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    <summary type="html">Eric,&#xD;
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Said comrade left a few months ago, so i'm responsible for my client (C++) as well as his server (J2EE) now.  Having had the displeasure of working through JBoss, JGroups, etc., I can categorically say that C++ is far, far, far more metal than Java will ever be.  This J2EE stuff just seems overblown and far too complex for what it does (monitor Apache instances via SNMP and order a list of URLs to return to the client).  Heck, I wrote a Perl script that did the SNMP monitoring in a couple of hours, and Perl isn't exactly light, either.  &#xD;
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*sigh*  Sadly, I doubt i'll get the opportunity to rewrite the J2EE stuff, so i'll have to deal with it :-(&#xD;
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Regards,&#xD;
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John, who thinks Java / J2EE is like corporate / committee rock, while C++ is like the fastest speed metal around&#xD;
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Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound&#xD;
http://www.fallingyou.com</summary>
    <dc:creator>John Michael</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-03-25T02:03:09Z</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: a bit of fun: which is more metal -- C++ or Java?</title>
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    <updated>2007-05-26T13:42:24Z</updated>
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    <summary type="html">DIY memory management is way more metal that relying on the mad to collect it for you</summary>
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    <dc:date>2007-05-26T13:42:24Z</dc:date>
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    <title>a bit of fun: which is more metal -- C++ or Java?</title>
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    <author>
      <name>John Michael</name>
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    <updated>2007-05-24T22:05:45Z</updated>
    <published>2007-05-24T22:05:45Z</published>
    <summary type="html">Hello, all ...&#xD;
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As frivolous an exercise as it may seem, I (developing the client piece of an app) am engaged with a comrade (developing the server piece of the same app) on this topic: Which language is more "metal" e.g. which language would the members of DethKlok (http://www.adultswim.com/shows/metal/) code in, should they choose to?&#xD;
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Defending C++, I submit that it is more metal, due to the following:&#xD;
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1. it has crosses in the name, and everyone knows that crosses are way more metal than coffee&#xD;
2. C++ developers generally code more to the "metal" (or wire) than Java developers&#xD;
3. C++ has DESTRUCTORs, which just sounds way more metal than Java's "finalize"&#xD;
4. C++ can be brutal, with pointers to const members, changing vtables, etc.&#xD;
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My coworker claims that Java is actually more metal, but I can't remember any of his reasons ;-)&#xD;
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Thoughts?&#xD;
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Regards,&#xD;
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John&#xD;
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Falling You - exploring the beauty of voice and sound&#xD;
http://www.fallingyou.com</summary>
    <dc:creator>John Michael</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-24T22:05:45Z</dc:date>
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